| To: python-list | |
| Subject: comp.lang.python RFD again | |
| From: Guido.van.Rossum@cwi.nl | |
| I've followed the recent discussion and trimmed the blurb RFD down a bit | |
| (and added the word "object-oriented" to the blurb). | |
| I don't think it's too early to *try* to create the newsgroup -- | |
| whether we will succeed may depend on how many Python supporters there | |
| are outside the mailing list. | |
| I'm personally not worried about moderation, and anyway I haven't | |
| heard from any volunteers for moderation (and I won't volunteer | |
| myself) so I suggest that we'll continue to ask for one unmoderated | |
| newsgroup. | |
| My next action will be to post an updated FAQ (which will hint at the | |
| upcoming RFD) to comp.lang.misc; then finalize the 1.0.0 release and | |
| put it on the ftp site. I'll also try to get it into | |
| comp.sources.unix or .misc. And all this before the end of January! | |
| --Guido van Rossum, CWI, Amsterdam <Guido.van.Rossum@cwi.nl> | |
| URL: <http://www.cwi.nl/cwi/people/Guido.van.Rossum.html> | |
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| These are the steps required (in case you don't know about the | |
| newsgroup creation process): | |
| First, we need to draw up an RFD (Request For Discussion). This is a | |
| document that tells what the purpose of the group is, and gives a case | |
| for its creation. We post this to relevant groups (comp.lang.misc, | |
| the mailing list, news.groups, etc.) Discussion is held on | |
| news.groups. | |
| Then, after a few weeks, we run the official CFV (Call For Votes). | |
| The votes are then collected over a period of weeks. We need 100 more | |
| yes votes than no votes, and a 2/3 majority, to get the group. | |
| There are some restrictions on the vote taker: [s]he cannot actively | |
| campaign for/against the group during the vote process. So the main | |
| benefit to Steve instead of me running the vote is that I will be free | |
| to campaign for its creation! | |
| The following is our current draft for the RFD. | |
| ====================================================================== | |
| Request For Discussion: comp.lang.python | |
| Purpose | |
| ------- | |
| The newsgroup will be for discussion on the Python computer language. | |
| Possible topics include requests for information, general programming, | |
| development, and bug reports. The group will be unmoderated. | |
| What is Python? | |
| --------------- | |
| Python is a relatively new very-high-level language developed in | |
| Amsterdam. Python is a simple, object-oriented procedural language, | |
| with features taken from ABC, Icon, Modula-3, and C/C++. | |
| Its central goal is to provide the best of both worlds: the dynamic | |
| nature of scripting languages like Perl/TCL/REXX, but also support for | |
| general programming found in the more traditional languages like Icon, | |
| C, Modula,... | |
| Python may be FTP'd from the following sites: | |
| ftp.cwi.nl in directory /pub/python (its "home site", also has a FAQ) | |
| ftp.uu.net in directory /languages/python | |
| gatekeeper.dec.com in directory /pub/plan/python/cwi | |
| Rationale | |
| --------- | |
| Currently there is a mailing list with over 130 subscribers. | |
| The activity of this list is high, and to make handling the | |
| traffic more reasonable, a newsgroup is being proposed. We | |
| also feel that comp.lang.misc would not be a suitable forum | |
| for this volume of discussion on a particular language. | |
| Charter | |
| ------- | |
| Comp.lang.python is an unmoderated newsgroup which will serve | |
| as a forum for discussing the Python computer language. The | |
| group will serve both those who just program in Python and | |
| those who work on developing the language. Topics that | |
| may be discussed include: | |
| - announcements of new versions of the language and | |
| applications written in Python. | |
| - discussion on the internals of the Python language. | |
| - general information about the language. | |
| - discussion on programming in Python. | |
| Discussion | |
| ---------- | |
| Any objections to this RFD will be considered and, if determined | |
| to be appropriate, will be incorporated. The discussion period | |
| will be for a period of 21 days after which the first CFV will be | |
| issued. |